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Why perpetual motion free energy machines don't work

It still amazes me that with all our posts dedicated to trying to help homeowners save energy, our most popular posts are on free energy scams (mainly magniwork and hojo motor).  I've gone back and forth with the energy ignorant in the comment section of these posts, but I've never written a post dedicated to explaining why these products just won't work.  This post is speaking to those who are confused about perpetual motion devices that claim to create more energy than they consume.  If you notice in the title, I state they "don't" work, not that they "won't" work.  They don't work according to the existing laws of physics.  The future is unknowable. Perpetual motion devices have been attempted for as long as man started making complicated machinery. The goal of many unfortunate inventors  has been to create a machine that will produce useful work in a closed loop system, or in a system without any external forces.  Donald Simanek maintains an excellent history at attempts to create perpetual motion devices in his Museum of Unworkable Devices. In scientific terms, perpetual motion devices are impossible under the current laws of thermodynamics.   Being humans with tiny little brains, our understanding of the universe is limited, so there is always the possibility that the laws of physics will expand and/or change over time.  But as the laws currently exist, the two that are most frequently cited regarding perpetual motion devices are the first and second law of thermodynamics.  In summary (quotes attributed to C.P. Snow):

  1. First law of thermodynamics - Conservation of energy.  Energy can be transformed from one form to another, but it can't be created or destroyed.  "You cannot win (that is, you cannot get something for nothing, because matter and energy are conserved)."
  2. Second law of thermodynamics - Entropy. Systems always flow to a state of disorder.  "You cannot break even (you cannot return to the same energy state, because there is always an increase in disorder; entropy always increases)."{C}

Wikipedia classifies the different categories of perpetual motion devices as follows: "One classification of perpetual motion machines refers to the particular law of thermodynamics the machines purport to violate:

  • A perpetual motion machine of the first kind produces work without the input of energy. It thus violates the first law of thermodynamics: the law of conservation of energy.
  • A perpetual motion machine of the second kind is a machine which spontaneously converts thermal energy into mechanical work. When the thermal energy is equivalent to the work done, this does not violate the law of conservation of energy. However it does violate the more subtle second law of thermodynamics (see also entropy). The signature of a perpetual motion machine of the second kind is that there is only one heat reservoir involved, which is being spontaneously cooled without involving a transfer of heat to a cooler reservoir. This conversion of heat into useful work, without any side effect, is impossible, according to the second law of thermodynamics.

A more obscure category is a perpetual motion machine of the third kind, usually (but not always)defined as one that completely eliminates friction and other dissipative forces, to maintain motion forever (due to its mass inertia). Third in this case refers solely to the position in the above classification scheme, not the third law of thermodynamics. Although it is impossible to make such a machine, as dissipation can never be 100% eliminated in a mechanical system, it is nevertheless possible to get very close to this ideal (see examples in the Low Friction section). Such a machine would not serve as a source of energy but would have utility as a perpetual energy storage device." In summary, here are reasons why perpetual motion energy generation devices don't work: Conservation of Energy - Say the law of conservation of energy wasn't a law.  You create a perpetual motion device that somehow overcomes all of the external forces mentioned above and you have a device that can operate itself perpetually (similar to the perpetual motion machine of the second kind listed above).  Now, your device can operate forever, but how can you extract any work from it?  If you take energy out of your machine, you will slow it down!  And no, magnets don't "create" energy, they just create a propulsion force.  To make magnets do work you have to add energy (i.e. spin them). I'm not sure I can spend too much time on this one point, because this is ultimately at the heart of perpetual motion energy generation machines.  If someone claims they can get energy out of a system, that energy has to come from SOMEWHERE!  It can come from the sun (nuclear), wind (which is created by the sun), gravity (one way trip), coal/natural gas/oil (dead organisms initially powered by sun), nuclear, humans (powered by food which is powered by sun), etc.  ENERGY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. There is no free lunch. Now, there is this tiny little issue of dark energy (also mentioned at the end of this post), but it is outside the scope of this discussion because I don't know too many inventors claiming their perpetual motion device operates on dark energy. Friction and external forces - This is really an expansion of the law of conservation of energy. Friction occurs when molecules of one thing come in contact with molecules of another thing.  Rub your hands together and feel heat generated.  That heat is energy leaving your body.  Anything operating on Earth will encounter external forces. Thought exercise time!  Think about driving your car down a flat highway.  Bring your car up to speed.  Go ahead, whatever speed you want, there is no speed limit here.  Now take your foot off the accelerator.  What happens?  You car is going to slow down and eventually stop because of air resistance (or friction between the air outside and the body of your car), rolling resistance between your tires and the road (or friction between asphalt and rubber) because gravity (external force) is pulling your car towards the earth, and the internal friction between all the working parts of your car (pistons, wheel bearings, crank shaft, etc.). Ok, we're done with the cute little thought exercise.  Now imagine that car is some perpetual motion machine.  Guess what, all those external forces are still there! Entropy - This is the hardest to explain but it is also the most obvious.  Basically, everything in the universe wants to go to a state of disorder. Buildings don't build themselves, and when they're built, they fall down.  Heat always flows from hot to cold. Everything dies.  Everything falls apart.  Maybe one day the universe will start collapsing in on itself, time will reverse itself, and this won't be the case.  But in the known lifespan of the universe (13.75 billion years) entropy has always (100% of the time) increased.   A perpetual motion machine would result in no net disorder, which has never happened in 13.75 billion years.  Not a fan of history dictating future, that's fine, how are you going to get past conservation of energy? Michio Kaku (who graduated first in his Harvard physics class, received his doctorate from Berkeley, and taught at Princeton) addresses perpetual motion machines in chapter 14 of his excellent book Physics of the Impossible.  In his book, Kaku breaks down "impossible" into three classes (summarized below):

  • Class 1 impossibility - impossible today but do not violate known laws of physics
  • Class 2 impossibility - technologies that sit at the edge of our understanding.  If possible, they may be realized thousands or millions of years in the future
  • Class 3 impossibility - technologies that violate the known laws of physics.  If possible, these technologies would represent a shift in our understanding of physics

Kaku labels perpetual motion a Class 3 impossibility (teleportation and telepathy are Class 1, time machines are a Class 2).  He states in the closing of chapter 14 on perpetual motion:

Because creating a true perpetual motion machine may require us to reevaluate the fundamental laws of physics on a cosmological scale, I would rank perpetual motion machines as a Class III impossibility; that is, either they are truly impossible, or we would need to fundamentally change our understanding of fundamental physics on a cosmological scale in order to make such a machine possible.  Dark energy remains one of the greatest unfinished chapters in modern science

Do you understand why I'm referencing this?  An expert in theoretical physics labels perpetual motion as 1 of only 2 class 3 impossibilities in all of theoretical physics (the other being precognition). Finally, I must address a claim that I see all the time regarding free energy devices.  Conspiracy theorists claim that the big bad energy companies are suppressing free energy devices because it will destroy their profits.  This is complete and utter rubbish. Let me tell you how I would get around this issue if I had stumbled on the greatest discovery in all of history:

  1. Chronicle my discovery in exhausting detail.  Paper, electronic, pictures, videos, etc.  Create hard copies and store them with trusted love ones.  Email electronic copies to email addresses I make up on multiple different hosts.  Take out multiple safety deposit boxes in many different states/countries and store identical copies of my research in each one.
  2. Create a company whose purpose is to build and sell my device or power from my device.  Make sure to find a good attorney to ensure all legal work is in proper order.  Getting a good attorney is critical.
  3. Go to investors/universities/press and demonstrate my findings.  Sell shares of my company if capital is needed.  Venture capital guys are pretty good at making money on any kind of idea, there is no need to go to the energy companies.
  4. Become the richest and most famous person in the world while alleviating many of the world's problems.

How could the big bad energy companies hurt my plan?  They couldn't.  Nobody can stop someone else who has a powerful idea.  Sure, the person who created the idea could be murdered, but if step 1 is followed properly, the idea still lives on. Would you really fear death if you had the idea to change the lives of 7 billion people?  Blaming large energy corporations is the cowards excuse for why his/her favorite perpetual motion device won't work.  Of interesting note is Andrea Rossi and his cold fusion energy generator.  Rossi seems to be following the steps above, and is in the middle of step 3.  We'll see if the device (which is not perpetual motion, but is cheap, clean energy) works or not.  Hopefully he reaches step 4. Hopefully you now understand why perpetual motions machines won't work according to the existing laws of thermodynamics.  Could the future change and could dark energy provide unlimited power?  Sure it can, but until then, machines will never operate perpetually, much less create free energy. End of story.

Links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-blog-mainmenu...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae280.cfm

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"Finally, I must address a claim that I see all the time regarding free energy devices. Conspiracy theorists claim that the big bad energy companies are suppressing free energy devices because it will destroy their profits. This is complete and utter b.s." If you're part of the 1% who doesn't need to work to earn a living, of course you do the steps you outline. Otherwise, you'd realize that there is a financial mountain preventing the 99% from doing exactly what you say. Get real: the average inventor is NOT part of the 1% and cannot afford to do the things you list. This is how the entrenched companies prevent innovations from being made. We live in a plutocracy. The government grants to develop alternative energy are strictly controlled and anyone with a threatening technology will run into a brick wall when they try to obtain them. I wrote five proposals to the ARPA-E agency under ARRA (the Obama stimulus) to obtain grants for a convertor which would revolutionize the field. Even though the consultants the DOE hired to evaluate the proposals reviewed them favorably, the DOE did NOT issue any grants in the end. And, in the private sector, the money is just not available because investors would rather play the market than take a chance on technology (this is because they are so technologically ignorant they won't invest in anything they don't understand). It's obvious you've never actually gone down this road.
Here's independent confirmation that my experience is not unique: http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Can-Anything-be-Done-to-Avoid-the-Coming-Clean-Energy-Crisis-in-the-U.S.html Pitching investors does not work. They are technological numb-nuts. As the referenced articles says, "An early-stage finance gap known as the "Technological Valley of Death" immediately faces promising energy ventures emerging from breakthrough research and seeking risk-tolerant investors to prove their concept can succeed beyond the lab. This challenge has only grown in recent years, as venture capital investments begin to shift towards later-stage, lower-risk ventures."
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Bob, you have got to be kidding me? I have gone down this road. If you have a ground breaking idea, go pitch investors. Pitching investors is free and just takes time. Do you think I spend most of my free time on this website helping educate others on energy issues because I'm part of the 1% and have nothing better to do, or do you think I have a full-time day job, a family, other hobbies, but I do this website because I want to make a difference in this world? What do you want me to day, "Quit trying to invent anything because the man is going to keep you down". That would make for a pretty poor blog post.
Bob, maybe the reason you didn't get any government money is because your idea WOULD work. The government isn't known for efficiency or intelligence. That being said, maybe it's time to pound the pavement, so to speak, and get some real investors.
How did you afford it? The lab equipment alone will run several million dollars, not to mention good lawyers are not cheap. That's why I said you had to be a member of the 1% to afford to do it. And, who pays the bills while you work in the lab?
Yes, you are right. It will work. We used to have real investors a couple of decades ago, but no more. It's not just me, though. Robert X. Cringely did a tour of America for a PBS special a couple of years ago where he visited several small companies working on breakthough technologies. His idea was to select the best of those projects and help them obtain investors to fund R&D. After selecting several promising candidates, he went to the venture capitalists in America --- and got zero interest. He ended up having to obtain funding in Hong Kong instead. This is confirmation that America has no interest in funding R&D anymore. It's also an indictment of our future as a viable country.
The best summary of the obstacles entrepreneurs face in getting clean energy technology to the market is in this report: http://thebreakthrough.org/blog/Valleys_of_Death.pdf ("Bridging the Clean Energy Valleys of Death").
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I agree, I wouldn't rely on the government for anything.
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Ok, Ok, you have good points, and it's actually probably worthy of a blog post. But unfortunately due to the Solyndra debacle, I don't think the next administration is going to be too big on spending money on clean energy research. What about partnering with a university?
Chris, To stay on topic..as an EE.I agree perpetual motion is out of our reach. I'm not a conspiracy theorist either however the world is not as kind and open to allowing anyone with a great idea to succeed as you imply in your post. Examples are abundant....Tucker autos...the wiper delay....cancer research....and so on. It unfortunately comes down to simple greed....all the sudden the university your working with debunks your idea kicks you out and a few days later they apply for a patent with your idea. And the professor you worked with is now VP of the company producing your product. You simply lack the resources...primarily money...to fight it. Our own government FDA has done this several times. l wish it were that easy...if energy was abundant and free the world would different place.

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