Why perpetual motion free energy machines don't work

It still amazes me that with all our posts dedicated to trying to help homeowners save energy, our most popular posts are on free energy scams (mainly magniwork and hojo motor).  I've gone back and forth with the energy ignorant in the comment section of these posts, but I've never written a post dedicated to explaining why these products just won't work.  This post is speaking to those who are confused about perpetual motion devices that claim to create more energy than they consume.  If you notice in the title, I state they "don't" work, not that they "won't" work.  They don't work according to the existing laws of physics.  The future is unknowable. Perpetual motion devices have been attempted for as long as man started making complicated machinery. The goal of many unfortunate inventors  has been to create a machine that will produce useful work in a closed loop system, or in a system without any external forces.  Donald Simanek maintains an excellent history at attempts to create perpetual motion devices in his Museum of Unworkable Devices. In scientific terms, perpetual motion devices are impossible under the current laws of thermodynamics.   Being humans with tiny little brains, our understanding of the universe is limited, so there is always the possibility that the laws of physics will expand and/or change over time.  But as the laws currently exist, the two that are most frequently cited regarding perpetual motion devices are the first and second law of thermodynamics.  In summary (quotes attributed to C.P. Snow):

  1. First law of thermodynamics - Conservation of energy.  Energy can be transformed from one form to another, but it can't be created or destroyed.  "You cannot win (that is, you cannot get something for nothing, because matter and energy are conserved)."
  2. Second law of thermodynamics - Entropy. Systems always flow to a state of disorder.  "You cannot break even (you cannot return to the same energy state, because there is always an increase in disorder; entropy always increases)."{C}{C}{C}{C}{C}{C}

Wikipedia classifies the different categories of perpetual motion devices as follows: "One classification of perpetual motion machines refers to the particular law of thermodynamics the machines purport to violate:

  • A perpetual motion machine of the first kind produces work without the input of energy. It thus violates the first law of thermodynamics: the law of conservation of energy.
  • A perpetual motion machine of the second kind is a machine which spontaneously converts thermal energy into mechanical work. When the thermal energy is equivalent to the work done, this does not violate the law of conservation of energy. However it does violate the more subtle second law of thermodynamics (see also entropy). The signature of a perpetual motion machine of the second kind is that there is only one heat reservoir involved, which is being spontaneously cooled without involving a transfer of heat to a cooler reservoir. This conversion of heat into useful work, without any side effect, is impossible, according to the second law of thermodynamics.

A more obscure category is a perpetual motion machine of the third kind, usually (but not always)defined as one that completely eliminates friction and other dissipative forces, to maintain motion forever (due to its mass inertia). Third in this case refers solely to the position in the above classification scheme, not the third law of thermodynamics. Although it is impossible to make such a machine, as dissipation can never be 100% eliminated in a mechanical system, it is nevertheless possible to get very close to this ideal (see examples in the Low Friction section). Such a machine would not serve as a source of energy but would have utility as a perpetual energy storage device."

In summary, here are reasons why perpetual motion energy generation devices don't work:

Conservation of Energy - Say the law of conservation of energy wasn't a law.  You create a perpetual motion device that somehow overcomes all of the external forces mentioned above and you have a device that can operate itself perpetually (similar to the perpetual motion machine of the second kind listed above).  Now, your device can operate forever, but how can you extract any work from it?  If you take energy out of your machine, you will slow it down!  And no, magnets don't "create" energy, they just create a propulsion force.  To make magnets do work you have to add energy (i.e. spin them). I'm not sure I can spend too much time on this one point, because this is ultimately at the heart of perpetual motion energy generation machines.  If someone claims they can get energy out of a system, that energy has to come from SOMEWHERE!  It can come from the sun (nuclear), wind (which is created by the sun), gravity (one way trip), coal/natural gas/oil (dead organisms initially powered by sun), nuclear, humans (powered by food which is powered by sun), etc.  ENERGY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. There is no free lunch. Now, there is this tiny little issue of dark energy (also mentioned at the end of this post), but it is outside the scope of this discussion because I don't know too many inventors claiming their perpetual motion device operates on dark energy.

Friction and external forces - This is really an expansion of the law of conservation of energy. Friction occurs when molecules of one thing come in contact with molecules of another thing.  Rub your hands together and feel heat generated.  That heat is energy leaving your body.  Anything operating on Earth will encounter external forces. Thought exercise time!  Think about driving your car down a flat highway.  Bring your car up to speed.  Go ahead, whatever speed you want, there is no speed limit here.  Now take your foot off the accelerator.  What happens?  You car is going to slow down and eventually stop because of air resistance (or friction between the air outside and the body of your car), rolling resistance between your tires and the road (or friction between asphalt and rubber) because gravity (external force) is pulling your car towards the earth, and the internal friction between all the working parts of your car (pistons, wheel bearings, crank shaft, etc.). Ok, we're done with the cute little thought exercise.  Now imagine that car is some perpetual motion machine.  Guess what, all those external forces are still there!

Entropy - This is the hardest to explain but it is also the most obvious.  Basically, everything in the universe wants to go to a state of disorder. Buildings don't build themselves, and when they're built, they eventualy fall down.  Heat always flows from hot to cold. Everything dies.  Everything falls apart.  Maybe one day the universe will start collapsing in on itself, time will reverse itself, and this won't be the case.  But in the known lifespan of the universe (13.75 billion years) entropy has always (100% of the time) increased.   A perpetual motion machine would result in no net disorder, which has never happened in 13.75 billion years.  Not a fan of history dictating future, that's fine, how are you going to get past conservation of energy? Michio Kaku (who graduated first in his Harvard physics class, received his doctorate from Berkeley, and taught at Princeton) addresses perpetual motion machines in chapter 14 of his excellent book Physics of the Impossible.  In his book, Kaku breaks down "impossible" into three classes (summarized below):

  • Class 1 impossibility - impossible today but do not violate known laws of physics
  • Class 2 impossibility - technologies that sit at the edge of our understanding.  If possible, they may be realized thousands or millions of years in the future
  • Class 3 impossibility - technologies that violate the known laws of physics.  If possible, these technologies would represent a shift in our understanding of physics

Kaku labels perpetual motion a Class 3 impossibility (teleportation and telepathy are Class 1, time machines are a Class 2).  He states in the closing of chapter 14 on perpetual motion:

Because creating a true perpetual motion machine may require us to reevaluate the fundamental laws of physics on a cosmological scale, I would rank perpetual motion machines as a Class III impossibility; that is, either they are truly impossible, or we would need to fundamentally change our understanding of fundamental physics on a cosmological scale in order to make such a machine possible.  Dark energy remains one of the greatest unfinished chapters in modern science

Do you understand why I'm referencing this?  An expert in theoretical physics labels perpetual motion as 1 of only 2 class 3 impossibilities in all of theoretical physics (the other being precognition). Finally, I must address a claim that I see all the time regarding free energy devices.  Conspiracy theorists claim that the big bad energy companies are suppressing free energy devices because it will destroy their profits.  This is complete and utter rubbish. Let me tell you how I would get around this issue if I had stumbled on the greatest discovery in all of history:

  1. Chronicle my discovery in exhausting detail.  Paper, electronic, pictures, videos, etc.  Create hard copies and store them with trusted love ones.  Email electronic copies to email addresses I make up on multiple different hosts.  Take out multiple safety deposit boxes in many different states/countries and store identical copies of my research in each one.
  2. Create a company whose purpose is to build and sell my device or power from my device.  Make sure to find a good attorney to ensure all legal work is in proper order.  Getting a good attorney is critical.
  3. Go to investors/universities/press and demonstrate my findings.  Sell shares of my company if capital is needed.  Venture capital guys are pretty good at making money on any kind of idea, there is no need to go to the energy companies.
  4. Become the richest and most famous person in the world while alleviating many of the world's problems.

How could the big bad energy companies hurt my plan?  They couldn't.  Nobody can stop someone else who has a powerful idea.  Sure, the person who created the idea could be murdered, but if step 1 is followed properly, the idea still lives on. Would you really fear death if you had the idea to change the lives of 7 billion people?  Blaming large energy corporations is the cowards excuse for why his/her favorite perpetual motion device won't work.  Of interesting note is Andrea Rossi and his cold fusion energy generator.  Rossi seems to be following the steps above, and is in the middle of step 3.  We'll see if the device (which is not perpetual motion, but is cheap, clean energy) works or not.  Hopefully he reaches step 4. Hopefully you now understand why perpetual motions machines won't work according to the existing laws of thermodynamics.  Could the future change and could dark energy provide unlimited power?  Sure it can, but until then, machines will never operate perpetually, much less create free energy. End of story.


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I just want to see a video of one of these HoJo motors powering a home or even a small appliance. I can't find anyone that actually has a working model powering anything. Does anyone out there have a working model on video ??
The idea to build a perpetual motion machine has been around since at least the 19th Century. My Grandfather told me of his eccentric uncle's attempt to do the same. And no, it did not work. If it truly worked, it would cost the inventor exactly zero dollars to get this to market. The attorney would do the legal work for free to have a piece of the action. I have witnessed that with the deregulation of the phone company where attorneys made small fortunes. Second, venture capitalist would be beating a path to your door. Third, call Sixty Minutes. Fourth, you would be proclaimed the greatest human being in the past 1900 years. Your face would be on the cover of every magazine. It is that big. So it is safe to say that the Hojo Machine is a fraud. It contains the classic fraudulent elements (a) have to act in the next thirty minutes, (b) citations that tell you nothing, and (c) a big bad corporation is blocking its development. If that big bad corporation thought it was true, it would be sending its emissaries to provide distribution capabilities etc in order to get a piece of the action. The Hojo is a fraud.
Well....Zurich makes more logical business sense AND electromechanical technical sense here than Chris; thus we all must conclude that Chris Pink is dead WRONG; and that Zurich is correct. This formally concludes this fascinating dialogue. All else shall be deemed irrelvant.(just joshn yall)☺ But yep Zurich makes the most sense to me and; not unlike Galleleo, who said the world was round .....yet who was banished into isolation for that by the then closed minded establishment such as Chris Pink here; do we see the analogy now?....and I'm sorry to say a very vivid and real one at that.
Greetings all. I read nearly all the comments here and wanted to chip in. I think what most people are missing here is the following: When people are saying that nothing is free, what opponents are missing is this. What materials did it take to make a solar panel, how much energy was expended in creating those materials, how much was expended in putting all materials together, final assembly, etc. before 'free energy' could take place - only after a quite expensive purchase of the end product. Magnetic motors - let us assume these exist for the sake of argument. At what point are you going to have enough to replace all the smelting factories that create the heavy equipment that mine the rare earth elements that make the magnets you use in your projects? That create the housings for motors, wire for coils, hardened steel for drive shafts, vulcanized rubber for belt drives. Are the fuel-less or free-energy generators going to be capable of creating electrical currents of a magnitude that will heat forges of immense porportions? How much more space and environment are you willing to destroy to setup these arrays that will accomplish those tasks? I'm not saying there won't be new and unbelievable power sources in the future. Perhaps even ones that tap into the 'ether' or 'zero-point' or just plain freaky cool super efficient means of producing a buttload of energy from a small framework. The problem that everyone seems to be overlooking is simply... Overhead. Interesting post and website. Take care, - Hap
Correction to my last post: assume that Magnetic *perpetual* motors or generators exist. Magnetic motors do exist... of course.
Balagoon, I went to several of your links and they do not prove your case. Troy Reed invented his machine in 1994 and claimed it would be up and powering homes within a year. As of 2011 he was starting in a new direction according towards the link you provided. Also in the videos, the machine is powered by electricity until 150 volts and then he unplugs it to power a light bulb. Far cry from "free energy" as it needed to be energized by an outside electric source. Also he "hoped" the price would only be $3500 dollars. Not exactly cheap for everyone in this world or even in this country. What if they could only get the price down to 10,000. How are people going to afford "free" power then?
@Russell Lee, I see you have spammed a ton of scientific sites with the same information/CAD drawings, yet you never stick around to answer any legitimate questions such as 1. Have any been built? 2. How well do they work?
First of all I never comment on anything but I have read this entire post and comments and completely feel the word ignorance gets used to many times than I have ever seen anywhere on the net. Made it for myself and some of my close friends and family, thats it. Been using this for years and we couldn't be happier. I have 1000 reasons I would not share with the rest of the world. #1 I dont want to be murdered. #2 I dont need to be famous #3 I dont need to be wealthier. hmm...maybe I am ignorant...but I am highly educated. Have faith, if you believe and have the patience, you may be equally impressed. Then you also will want to keep to yourself once you've reached this level some only wished they could get to. But being couch potato or staring at your computer screen all day will get you nowhere. All the theories and so called FREE energy, its going to takes some work to get you amazing results far into the future. Good Luck and Happy Days!!
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Made what for yourself?
Hello, Here is a gravity-driven machine that is gettting much attention as being a perpetual motion, free energy generator. On the surface of the planet it is a gravity motor, in space, in a cylindrical/rotating station where the centrifugal force acts as artificial gravity, the station/generator combination is a pm/fe generator. Pinwheel Generator:


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